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Si la couleur tirant sur le vert du musée n'est pas la bonne, s'il s'agit d'une interprétation... Sinon le marron des avions polonais serait comme le rouge au bout des ailes des Mig 3@ntoine a écrit : dim. 24 déc. 2023 12:04 Une astuce???
Je ne sais pas ce que tu entends par astuce vis à vis de la couleurs d'un camo...
Hataka?FAUCARD a écrit : dim. 24 déc. 2023 12:01 Bonjour,
Il y avait une marque de peinture , Polonaise ? , qui proposait les teintes officielles de l'A.A. Polonaise en 1939, je sais pas si elle existe encore, faudrait voir chez Martola
Polish Khaki for Dummies
First I’ll let you into a little secret. As I take you on this journey you will discover that Polish Khaki and Olive Drab are practically the same. The German Brown Violet is also very similar and is often used as the main component to mix Polish Khaki.
Many khaki type colours are based on a mixture of Lamp Black and Yellow Ochre. Add Iron Oxide (Red Ochre) and it becomes browner. Other pigments such as Chromium Oxide can be added to modify the colour. Chinese Blue is sometimes used to darken it. Polish Khaki, so I am told, is based on Prussian Blue and Yellow Ochre. This combination gives Olive Green so there were probably other pigments in the mix as well. It had a reputation for fading quickly to a brownish colour. Perhaps the Prussian Blue had something to do with this. It was this fading that led to the introduction of a new version of khaki in the late 1930s. These two versions of khaki are often referred to as early and late. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that the late version was greener than the early. Perhaps it just looked greener compared to the faded early khaki.
Très bonne remarque, je prendsLogan a écrit : lun. 25 déc. 2023 22:58 Par définition le kaki c'est un marron verdâtre ou un vert marronasse, donc à ta place je ferais un vert/marron ou un marron/vert de façon à ce qu'on ne puisse pas se dire franchement "c'est vert" ou "c'est marron". Et comme ça on ne se pose plus de problème
Glouglou69 a écrit : mar. 26 déc. 2023 09:02 Arrête de tergiverser, et fais-nous ce PZL qu'on puisse critiquer la couleur!
Comme ça, je pourrais copier la couleur, j'en ai deux à faire!
Curatorm a écrit : mar. 26 déc. 2023 09:47Glouglou69 a écrit : mar. 26 déc. 2023 09:02 Arrête de tergiverser, et fais-nous ce PZL qu'on puisse critiquer la couleur!
Comme ça, je pourrais copier la couleur, j'en ai deux à faire!
Je finis d'abord le Mirage F1 CZ
C'est Hadzi, dans l'un des liens qui figurent dans mon premier message. Et malheureusement, ça n'est pas si simple que ça comme le montrent les échanges.vbd a écrit : mar. 26 déc. 2023 11:52 Un des maquettiste polonais qui fréquente le forum avait dit que c'était proche du dark earth RAF en plus clair, il me semble, je n'ai malheureusement pas retrouvé la citation...
Denis
. Il manquait juste la référence aux couleurs de musée fautives. C'est donc "olive brown". La couleur tirant nettement sur le vert est une couche supplémentaire ajoutée par les Allemands après capture de certains appareils. Ils ont repris aussi les marques.Initially, in the factory, the whole airframe, both on internal and external surfaces, had been primed with aluminium coloured paint. Then all the external surfaces (including undersurfaces!) have been painted with khaki camouflage paint (“olive brown” according to the report, presently this shade is known as “light Polish khaki” or “early Polish khaki”). The third layer was the light blue-grey on the wing and tailplane undersurfaces. Next, still in the factory, the national markings (checkerboards) and red stencils were applied.
Military serial number “8.63”, tactical number “2” and the squadron marking (white winged lightning) have been applied in the squadron, using white paint. Blue paint has been used for diagonal fuselage bands and “arrow” on the top wing surface, and black for “39 E” marking on the wing bottom. We can assume that this was the complete scheme for this airplane in first years of its service. Similar painting and marking procedure has been probably used for all the Polish PZL P.11 fighters, of course with specific markings for each squadron.
After some period of service – most probably during the overhaul – the painting was refreshed. Top and side surfaces have been painted again with the khaki camouflage paint, but with darker shade (so called “dark” or “late Polish khaki”). Wing and tailplane undersurfaces were painted with grey-blue, but darker and more greyish. Blue bands were refreshed. Black “E” letter under one of the wings was replaced with “K”, while the “39” number remained unchanged. Most probably in such scheme the airplane went to the war in September 1939.
